tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post1599581393467983154..comments2023-10-04T09:50:08.070-05:00Comments on Logismoi: The Illuminating IconAaron Taylorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17775589009145031773noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-3054816239208467552009-10-05T23:44:10.803-05:002009-10-05T23:44:10.803-05:00Awesome score, my friend!Awesome score, my friend!Aaron Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17775589009145031773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-52586200381378218002009-10-05T23:34:14.366-05:002009-10-05T23:34:14.366-05:00Thanks! And it was a hardcover that cost only $1.9...Thanks! And it was a hardcover that cost only $1.98! Woo-hoo! The shipping cost more than the book! And it's in perfect, unmarked,condition, with dustjacket.Kevin P. Edgecombhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16590490181739464401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-23098037924848798592009-10-05T22:27:42.649-05:002009-10-05T22:27:42.649-05:00Kevin> Congratulations!Kevin> Congratulations!Aaron Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17775589009145031773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-26901250359167023322009-10-05T22:18:52.154-05:002009-10-05T22:18:52.154-05:00My copy of The Illuminating Icon arrived today.
T...My copy of <i>The Illuminating Icon</i> arrived today.<br /><br />The purchase was motivated by your review, Aaron, and Esteban's Russian priest friend having said that "reading it is like sitting down to have a beer with a son of the old-school Metropolia, and listening to what he has to say."<br /><br />I look forward to reading it!Kevin P. Edgecombhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16590490181739464401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-84307443320400429772009-10-02T17:58:25.415-05:002009-10-02T17:58:25.415-05:00Owen> I had not seen that. I'll have to giv...Owen> I had not seen that. I'll have to give it a read-through. Thanks!<br /><br />Fr Mark> Well, I would have felt much less dubious about an article entitled 'Tradition as Freedom from the Past: Eastern Orthodoxy and the Western Mind'! Please do e-mail a copy.Aaron Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17775589009145031773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-37831662408250920622009-10-02T17:18:31.549-05:002009-10-02T17:18:31.549-05:00I remember the First Things essay - I actually sub...I remember the First Things essay - I actually subscribed to the hard copy back then. Tighter budgets mean that I now peruse online.<br /><br />Regarding Ugolnik and ecumenism, it's interesting to note that the essay has been published with various titles - my copy is entitled, "TRADITION AS FREEDOM FROM THE PAST: EASTERN ORTHODOXY AND THE WESTERN MIND." He doesn't subscribe to anything like the "branch theory," but he clearly draws from some sources that give some traditionalists pause - Bulgakov, Florensky, et al. <br /><br />I'll email a copy if you're interested.St. Matthew the Apostle Orthodox Churchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06969240942813338416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-6010177765928843372009-10-02T16:11:17.543-05:002009-10-02T16:11:17.543-05:00Have you read this?
http://www.firstthings.com/ar...Have you read this?<br /><br />http://www.firstthings.com/article/2008/09/002-living-at-the-borders-eastern-orthodoxy-and-world--11Ochlophobist https://www.blogger.com/profile/13751003558600087713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-51630967205659719572009-10-02T15:20:55.661-05:002009-10-02T15:20:55.661-05:00Fr Mark> I agree with you %100 on Esteban's...Fr Mark> I agree with you %100 on Esteban's description. It was perfect!<br /><br />As for the title, I believe I would have been fine simply with the phrase 'Tradition as Freedom from the Past' (a sentiment I recognise, and approve, as Florovskian), but it was the context of ecumenism that prompted the characterisation of 'dubious-sounding'. I've read too many absolutely nauseating things on those lines!Aaron Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17775589009145031773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-53780188577276711642009-10-02T12:41:17.476-05:002009-10-02T12:41:17.476-05:00Found it!
The source of the title, "Tradit...Found it! <br /><br />The source of the title, "Tradition as Freedom from the Past" is Fr. Georges Florovsky's "Bible, Church, Tradition: An Eastern Orthodox View." Interestingly, it's in the same section where he writes the often-quoted statement, "Tradition is the constant abiding of the Spirit, and not only the memory of words. Tradition is a charismatic, not an historical principle."St. Matthew the Apostle Orthodox Churchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06969240942813338416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-44443343511168263882009-10-02T12:29:11.430-05:002009-10-02T12:29:11.430-05:00The comment above about the rambling, "beer w...The comment above about the rambling, "beer with Father" quality of Fr Antony's prose is the best description I've ever read - bravo!<br /><br />And the title, "Tradition as Freedom from the Past" comes from none other than Fr Georges Florovsky, in a discussion of Tradition as a living, charismatic reality - not a restoration of the past, nor an effort to use the past as a criterion for the present.<br /><br />I'll need to find the exact sources for that - I have an old photo-copy of the Ugolnik essay somewhere in a pile in my office. <br /><br />And I can't imagine Illuminating Icon being revised. It is so thoroughly replete with the Cold War perspective, I think it would have to be completely re-written.<br /><br />- Fr MarkSt. Matthew the Apostle Orthodox Churchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06969240942813338416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-23107139354143672282009-10-01T22:05:58.863-05:002009-10-01T22:05:58.863-05:00Esteban> Thanks for the links! ;-)
Actually, I...Esteban> Thanks for the links! ;-)<br /><br />Actually, I WOULD like to read the Pelikan article.<br /><br />Matthew> What was the excerpt? I might remember it!Aaron Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17775589009145031773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-26256399785409105042009-10-01T21:33:35.284-05:002009-10-01T21:33:35.284-05:00Wonderful post I remember this book and special or...Wonderful post I remember this book and special ordered it as soon as it was available. The thing is, I read an excerpt in "EPIPHANY JOURNAL" which was wonderful and so when I received the book I rushed through it to find this excerpt and hoped to find more. I never did find it and was very disappointed. I have been meaning to contact Fr. Anthony about that and now maybe I will. A while back I found a used copy and purchased it. I think I'll go through it again before I verbally assault the good Fr.! I could have missed it.Matthew Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07564546155986482730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-59333968774555809932009-10-01T21:23:12.303-05:002009-10-01T21:23:12.303-05:00(And evidently, after reading your post by bits wh...(And evidently, after reading your post by bits while doing dishes I forgot that you already had a couple of those links up in your post. My apologies for the repetition!)Esteban Vázquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09738869673774603152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714437334790446678.post-8120080993012882232009-10-01T21:20:43.414-05:002009-10-01T21:20:43.414-05:00This is a lovely little book, and I'm delighte...This is a lovely little book, and I'm delighted to learn that you too have a soft spot in your heart for it. As a priest of the Russian Church once remarked to me, the book isn't about anything specifically at all, but reading it is like sitting down to have a beer with a son of the old-school Metropolia, and listening to what he has to say. This makes the book very endearing to me.<br /><br />Fr Ugolnik currently serves as the rector of the <a href="http://www.holyghostuoc.org/" rel="nofollow">Holy Ghost Orthodox Church</a> in Coatesville, Pennsylvania, a parish of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA (Ecumenical Patriarchate). He's also a <a href="http://10things.fandm.edu/ugolnik/info.htm" rel="nofollow">Professor of English</a> at Franklin and Marshall College. To the best of my knowledge, his most recent publication is the article "Jacob's Ladder: Jaroslav Pelikan and the People of the Book," in Valerie Hotchkiss and Patrick Henry (eds.), <i>Orthodoxy and Western Culture: A Collection of Essays Honoring Jaroslav Pelikan on His Eightieth Birthday</i> (Crestwood: SVS Press, 2005), pp. 65-84.Esteban Vázquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09738869673774603152noreply@blogger.com